The Vegan Society debate childhood vegan nutrition on Channel 5’s The Wright Stuff


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is the number. First though is putting your child on a strict vegan diet tantamount to
abuse? An Italian couple have just lost custody of their 14 month-old son after his strict
vegan diet reportedly left him severely malnourished. The child was taken to a hospital by grandparents
a week ago and after finding him to be under weight, the same weight as a three-month-old
in fact, and in general poor health, authorities took him into care. Veganism is a lifestyle
that excludes all animal products and by products so there’s no meat, no fish, no milk, no eggs,
no honey, no leather fur silk or wool. It’s grown in popularity, the number of vegans
in Britain is up by a staggering 360 percent in a decade. 542,000 in total and It’s usually
an ethical choice and some choose it for their children to follow too but given It’s restrictive
nature, can it provide the nutrients that children need to develop. What experts say
is It’s more difficult to nourish a young child adequately on a restrictive diet especially
as they often have to eat more to get the same energy values, some can end up deficient
in vitamin D, calcium and iron. Unsurprisingly those at The Vegan Society would disagree,
they say research shows vegans are generally healthier then those on an animal-based diet,
as their more clued up about nutrition and joining us now is Jimmy Pearson who is a spokesperson
for The Vegan Society, thank you very much for joining us Jimmy and how long have you
been a vegan?. I’ve been vegan for two years now and I must admit It’s the best decision
I ever made. Why did you decide to go vegan? Well I went vegan initially because I wanted
to improve my health and I very quickly noticed a string of benefits, I was sleeping better,
had clearer skin, my digestion was much improved and I had a lot more energy that was the main
thing I noticed. I went from someone who didn’t enjoy running at all to loving long distance
running, It was fantastic and all the evidence also suggests that the vegan diet is really
effective and protecting against lots of long-term chronic health conditions so I’m sure the
benefits will continue throughout my life but It’s not just about health for me, the
more I looked into the meat industry and the dairy industry, the more the standard practises
shocked me so now I would say I was mainly vegan for the animals. And I would like to
know and I mean It’s all very well you being an adult doing this but do you have children
Yes. And are they vegan? Yes they are. My partner Emma and I had our first child, our
daughter Sharon only 3 months ago so she’s exclusively breast feeding still and I think
we’ll start weaning at about 6 months. And then what are you gonna put the child on?
If they don’t have milk or even goats milk. I think goats milk is quite a good option
but what will after she’s finished breast feeding what will you give your child Well
we will of course be raising her vegan on the basis that we think based on our experience
how we feel and all the evidence and research in front of us that it will give her the best
possible start in life and as soon as she’s old enough to start eating she’ll be eating
all the fantastic wide variety of vegan foods that we eat. Straight to food Laura will continue
breastfeeding as long as she can which is up to two years which I think is the world
health organisations recommendation, particularly people on vegan diets. Do you think people
are going to judge you for that stand? Well they haven’t done so far, I’d say not at all
actually. Well you’re on national TV now so maybe. Public perception is changing fast
and old stereotypes are fading slowly but surely and most people nowadays rather then
asking me where I get my protein from, they’re asking me for recipe ideas which is fantastic
and throughout my partner being pregnant and Sharon being born we had unqualified support
from the medical profession, now that’s not the experience all vegans get but it was for
us whether It’s GPs, midwives, health visitors, they’re all completely behind us and I think
that’s an indication that the tide’s turning and that people are much more accepting of
veganism but there’s a point I’d really like to make here actually and It’s that the media’s
portrayal of this case that’s particularly misleading. Now there are on average 5,000
cases of malnutrition in the UK alone every year yet the media has decided to highlight
a single instance with a vegan family in Italy. Now in terms of malnutrition the problem in
this case and with every case is a shortage of calories and nutrients, It’s nothing inherently
to do with the vegan diet which contains everything you need for great health at every age and
life stage including childhood and infancy and that’s the position of the British Dietetic
Association who are widely regarded as the leading authority on matters like this in
this country. You put your case very well, as one would expect, I’m just interested that
you’ve been a vegan for two years so before that, didn’t you like a pint and crisps and
the steak? Admittedly I was a big meat-eater and if someone told me I’d be vegan a number
of years ago I would not of believed them. I used to work in KFC. Oh my god, even I don’t
do chicken in a drum stick, in a basket sorry. So It’s interesting, you’ve done this for
2 years, I applaud everything you’ve said, what would you do if your child says “Right
dad, I want a steak and I want it now.” Well of course those kind of choices about her
diet are entirely hers and as they will be throughout her life and all different things,
My partner and I will support her however she chooses to live her life and with whoever.
So it’s just for while she can’t answer back she will get the lentils. We will of course
try our best to ensure those choices are informed choices and we’ll explain where food comes
from, how the animals are treated and importantly the impact that has on animals and our health
but also the environment. Jimmy we’ve got a lot of calls on, haven’t we storm? absolutely
we’ve got Ang on line 4, Hello Good Morning Ang, Would you like to address your question
straight to Jimmy. Well my question is that I stopped eating red meat and I became really
really ill and I had to be hospitalized twice and have blood transfusions and nearly die,
I think what you’re doing is really irresponsible, what people need to understand is it’s not
really a question but our biology is animal biology, we can take in iron from animal better than iron from vegetables and I do think It’s a subtle form in my opinion of abuse. I don’t
know whether you could look at it properly because you probably weren’t brought up as
a vegan from birth where you? No I was a meat-eater all my life, and speaking from my experience
I felt significantly better once I removed animal products from my diet and to call it
irresponsible I would have to disagree with that, it’s not a restrictive diet, it contains
everything you need for great health but I suppose the problems come from a lack of educational
knowledge or information about it but there are huge amounts of resources online, It’s
never been easier to vegan than it is now so I’m sorry that you had a negative experience
but that’s not the general experience and if you were willing to give it a try again
there’s lots of support which perhaps there wasn’t years ago. Jimmy I just want to come
back to that point about bringing up a child as vegan and part of the problem seems to
be about the calories being large enough with a vegan diet. Well that is something that’s
been raised, and it’s a point, I can’t dispute that, children of course have smaller stomachs, but the recommendation about breast
feeding for as long as you can goes some way to alleviating that and eating little and
often is another good way to do it. Part of the problem is a vegan diet has a lot of fibre
in it which of course means you need to get even more calories. Absolutely but also there’s
a misconception that things like calcium come exclusively from dairy products but actually
if you look at green leafy vegetables, almonds, tofu, spinach for example, they’ve got much
higher rates of absorption then dairy products. Storm? We have bob on line 3. Hi there Bob,
Hi there. What’s your point? I agree with the guy from The Vegan Society, I’ve got three
kids myself and after two and a half years, for thirty years I ate meat, dairy, and eggs
and I had no reason to change but we came across some information about the ethics,
the health and environmental aspects and as responsible parents we did our research and
put the time in to find out if this was something applicable and that if our kids especially
could thrive on it, that’s what the difference is, maybe if these parents have dived into
this with their child without really doing their research and they haven’t really fed
him that’s where the problem lies but like the man from The Vegan Society said, all the
information is out there and we even consulted a nutritional therapist who gave us some more
information and since then I’ve had a knee problem of 14 years that disappeared, my kids
acne completely cleared up and we’ve never been healthier really. That’s what Jimmy was
saying, Bob thank you very much for giving us a ring. Storm? We’ve got Fiona on line
one. Hi There. Hi There, Good Morning, what’s your point? I agree with Jimmy that there
is a lack of understanding around what veganism actually is, because being plant based as a diet, being vegan is more about a wider understanding on where you can get your values from, if you explain to a child from a young age how their choices impact the wider world, then you are raising a compassionate human
being. I can see how that is a benefit to society and to them long term. Ok Fiona thank you
very much, Jen am I right in thinking you’re vegetarians? I’ll eat fish and occasionally
chicken but only if it’s organic. I’m all about organic and eating clean. You very rarely
see a fat vegan, vegans I see tend to be very healthy looking people. I want to be a vegan
now, let me be a vegan if I can look like him. He looks very lean and healthy. Storm?
We have Aaron on line 2. Hi, I find it astonishing that people equate veganism to extremism,
I’d ask people what’s more extreme eating a plant-based diet that reduces and reverses
your chances of diabetes, heart disease, cancer, or slaughtering 259 million animals daily
on the global scale? I suppose we come back to that point that Jimmy made, that there
is malnutrition on what people could consider a normal diet so in this particular instance
it’s more about the parents perhaps not knowing quite so much. Aaron thank you very much and
I suppose that’s what you’d say Jimmy doesn’t feel extreme to you, you just think it’s all
about food. Emma you’re a vegan aren’t you? Yeah I’m vegan, I think it’s the best decision
I’ve ever made, I’ve never felt healthier then when I started being vegan. I feel great.
How long have you been a vegan? I’ve been a vegan for a year and a half now and I feel
absolutely great and I stand by everything that Jimmy said so its great, it’s not a extreme
diet. Perhaps a little more difficult when you’re eating out with friends. Oh actually
it’s got easier and easier, Most restaurants now do offer a vegan option and I don’t find
it difficult at all, I think it’s fine. Ok thank you very much Emma and to you Jimmy.
I’m not being frivolous but can you have vegan wine? You can absolutely. So growing and fermenting’s
okay, I think that’s what happens with wine. Some of them are cleared with animal products.
With wine sometimes they use egg white to wash in the product. Ok, I’m leaning. Thank
you very much and thank you Jimmy. Thank you to all of you for calling.

100 thoughts on “The Vegan Society debate childhood vegan nutrition on Channel 5’s The Wright Stuff

  1. abusive to raise your children vegan??? OMG what a pathetic statement! i think its more abusive to force feed your children meat :/ humans are naturally herbivores and you can get everything you need from a plant based diet. vegetarian/vegan parents often take waaaaaay more advice from experts and research a healthy balanced diet for our children compared to meat eaters! wow im astonished that i could be considered a child abuser for actually caring about the food my children eat! well done jimmy for putting across your beliefs so well 🙂

  2. lol love how he called the first caller an idiot probably without her even noticing 'comes from lack of education or knowledge..'

  3. Take a child out to the beach and buy them a burger from the ice cream van made of processed meat along with a can of sugar laden liquid, no one seems to worry about that. How a level 1 carcinogenic is a day to day food source.

  4. The first caller was an absolute idiot. "Our biology is animal biology" no fucking shit. So is the biology of herbivorous and frugivorous animals. What, does she think plant eating animals are plants and have "plant biology"?

  5. A friend of mine died from a ruptured aorta.He was vegan and the post mortem concluded that the lack of protein in his diet caused his aorta to become too thin and it burst open and he died very quickly.

  6. It's abuse to feed kids meat heavy diets. look at all these fat meat eating dairy kids out there. compare them to mine who was vegan from pre inception and mine is slimmer fitter smarter faster and healthier than any other kids.

  7. So, feeding a child drugs, steroids, hormones, carcinogens, and cholesterol that WILL kill them at some point, while brainwashing them into apathy is a-okay. On the other hand, caring for your child's health, wellbeing, and future, while teaching them compassion and social responsibility is bad. I can't fathom how people justify this to themselves as a rational, morally acceptable view.

  8. I'm no vegan, but I respect others' dietary and lifestyle choices. Wonder what the first caller's diet (Ange, Cheshire) was that she was hospitalised? I wouldn't imagine you would if you followed it properly, like the man said.

  9. Meateaters perspective = Hate this, Hate that, Hate everything what vegans says or do!

    Vegans perspective = Love your enemies, love your Neighbors, love yourself and Motherearth.

  10. Why are the presenters shutting people up whenever they mention the terrible torture and murder to animals and the terrible impact to the environment! It shows that they're not allowed to let people tell the truth.

  11. 1st caller with her oh so tragic story of stopping eating red meat and going into hospital and almost dying…clearly that was a serious medical condition concerning you and just you. Not exactly the norm to stop eating red meat and needing a blood transfusion!
    Jimmy talking about being Vegan and his new born being brought up the same with his partner….was it me or was it a tad annoying that he did even gesture to her or turn his head towards her or even let her comment about their child at all or her Vegan experience. She just sat aside him nodding her head like a bobbing doll whilst he referred to his 'partner' like she wasn't in the room sat 2 inches from him!!!

  12. Host quickly started talking about something entirely different as soon as Aaron called in about the animal holocaust.
    Wouldn't want people to feel bad about their dietary choices would we. That would be very mean!

  13. They all did a wonder job promoting the best lifestyle choice. Yes, this is definitely happening!! #veganworld

  14. Talk all day about ONE malnourished child put on a vegan diet….(which had everything to do with the parents treating the child poorly and NOTHING to do with the vegan diet) but they don't bring up childhood obesity which is rampant nowadays??? Or the fact that kids are having fatty streaks on their aortas at a very young age???

  15. As a rule of thumb , if something is dishonest something is wrong with it , the vegan portrayal of cows milk is as honest as knowingly saying that rape and the sex industry describe sex . The vegan anti cows milk campaign is a human ego identity campaign masquerading as an animal welfare one with horrific consequences for cows 120 Million dragged to slaughter and it's the biggest animal campaign on earth . Good grief .

  16. Our grand children will ask us one day.
    Where were you during the holocaust of animals?
    What did you do against these horrific crimes?
    This time around we won't be able to say, We didn't know it was going on.

  17. This was savage! haha! Didn't go in meat eaters favour at all! Where were they all for the phone in? At Macdonalds thats where! Vegan for the win!

  18. my god it is absolutely amazing how positevly he answers every question! every time i try to do that i get emotional and angry

  19. wel the parent clearly didnt give there child the right foods,annyone wil thrive on a vegan diet if they know to eat diverse and to get the right nutritiants,there are only a fuw % of people that actualy need meat ones in a while.
    and yes i think when a child is old enuf it can make a choice to do vegan or not. and this guys knows how to talk :O best vegan talker i have ever seen!

  20. My 2.5 YO son is vegan and thriving. Don't blame the lifestyle because of dumbass parents. The typical American parent has obese and sick kids; why not go after the standard American diet?

  21. "There's only 1 diet ever been proven to REVERSE the world's number 1 killer, heart disease, and thats eating a Whole Foods Plant Based Diet.

    If thats the only diet ever been proven then shouldnt that be the default diet until proven otherwise"

    – Dr Michael Greger

  22. Read this —-> The China Study

    Netflix these..

    What The Health – Forks Over Knives – Cowspiracy

    YouTube this…

    – Best Speech Ever by Gary Yourofsky
    – The Secret Reason We Eat Meat by Dr Melanie Joy
    – Seaspiracy

  23. Damn that Jimmy guy handled it fucking perfectly. He kept it professional and stayed nice. Couldn't have it like that myself, lol I would've gotten so fucking mad.

  24. I love to be vegan but I’m scared of many negativity around about vegan diet. I live animals because they are living beings .

  25. People say it's irresponsible but the British Dietetic Association and the World Health Organisation say the it's ok at any stage of life. So who are these people to disagree?

  26. Fantastic presentation! We need to be the difference we want to see. Healthy, conscious, compassionate=VEGAN❤️❤️❤️🙏

  27. So are we saying that meat eaters all eat a fantastic diet and get all the nutrients they need!!!!! Or is it just vegans who don't. Most vegans know what nutrients they need and are generally fitter and leaner. The comment "I'm vegetarian but eat fish and free range chicken" 😩

  28. Who the fuck does that woman think she is. Why does everything become such a joke or attack and why is that just acceptable. Its about time vegans didn't take this subtle mocking and stood up for the better way of life

  29. What does it say about her when she's giving an opinion on nutrition and raising a child and then turns around and makes sure she can still drink her fucking wine. I think raising a child half cut is more worrying than raising a child vegan. This whole video of fucking stereotypical middle aged women giving an uneducated standpoint on a diet they have no experience or knowledge about it quite frankly embarrassing

  30. I'm a new vegan. I'm finding it very easy and would never want to go back to eating corpses and stolen milk. However, what I'm struggling with atm is whether I should try to put my dog on a vegan diet. I know it can be done, it's just I know he's used to eating meat. Im trying to prevent animal cruelty so don't want to end up being cruel to my dog.

  31. Wow GOOD WORK JIMMY this was amazing..
    I had this waiting to play for a minute, dreading to watch how veganism was going to be totally overwritten with lies and people putting misinformation out to the masses on television. wow this was so nice to watch!

  32. One of the best points in this video: 5000 cases of malnutrition in the UK ever year but the media focuses one vegan case of malnutrition.

  33. that Italian family fed their child on tomato paste and water. that's not exactly a well balanced vegan diet. Its just basic malnutrition.

  34. How can these morons not realise that feeding your children dismembered corpses, hen periods and cow breast milk is not healthy.

  35. Argument is tosh there has never been a human on a vegan diet from birth to death so benefits and risks are not known. By the time you're this guys age your body has already developed. 2 years of veganism to say it's the healthy way for your body is a bit misleading.
    Show me a 5th generation vegan… 🤔

  36. I think it’s wrong for children to be put through a vegan diet it’s their choice you can’t make it their future if they don’t want to. Also either diet is the same you both get protein etc… but I don’t see why it’s okay to put a child through a vegan diet it doesn’t matter what the parents think.

  37. Jimmy did so well to hold his composure, I would of lost my shit with their ridiculous comments. The longer I am vegan the more stupid meat eaters sound !!

  38. I’m 32 weeks pregnant and went vegan in my third month of pregnancy.
    I spent the past year learning as much as I could before I went fully vegan, nutrition, recipes and cooking.
    At first is was for my health and now it is from an ethical stand, for the animals and learning the environment factors too.
    Watching What the Health movie is what made me take the plunge so to speak.
    My nearly 4 year old daughter also transitioned into a vegan diet and loves it, she just said to me today being vegan is good good good!
    She cringes at all animal products on her own accord, I never encouraged that behaviour, it was just her own doing. Her Daddy tells her off cause it makes him feel bad and thinks it’s wrong and it’s fine and healthy.
    My husband is okay with me being vegan but NOT his daughter as much. And ESPECIALLY NO NO NO for our baby boy who will be born soon.
    WHICH is putting a huge strain on our marriage right now. I can feel attacked easily, and not feel like he even tries to understand. It’s so hard. I really am looking for encouragement and advice for what we are going through. Thanks.

  39. People switching from meat are so use to eating a meal of just meat and a few veggies, so if you don't know what else is out there, you must learn.

  40. Never understood how breastfeeding a child on their HUMAN mother’s milk until the age of 2 is looked down upon, but NEVER weaning off cow’s milk is acceptable.

  41. You can be malnourished on both a vegan AND a meat eating diet. If you have common sense with basic education you can obtain optimal health on a Plant based vegan diet.

  42. Three out of four callers were vegan. Change is on its way 😉 Awesome work Jimmy. Excellent representation!

  43. Sorry but no. I will always eat meat, butter and eggs. I like to stay healthy, lean, and disease free. You will NEVER justify the consumption of bread, cereals, pasta, and other heavy insulin punchers. Just because you're not sensitive to these "foods" yet doesn't mean they aren't complete SHIT.

  44. Really whats more extreme, eating delicious plant food with great health (The woman in this interview who got ill. Sounds like she didnt do it right) or slice the throat of sentient beings, put them into gas chambers, seperate families, and destroy the enviroment.. If the latter doesnt seem extreme, i dont know what is..

  45. Ween at 6 months !??!?! You should be going at least two years! And that is if the mother is eating meat, which she should be so the milk is good. The digestive system needs to fully develop. At that point feed them red meat they can digest on their own!

  46. 4:50 I disagree. It is true there are multiple ways to cause mal-nourishment, but the vegan diet is one of them which is inherent to the diet.

  47. Too much fructose can damage your liver, just like too much alcohol. There is growing scientific consensus that one of the most common types of sugar, fructose, can be toxic to the liver, just like alcohol. Fructose is the sugar that makes fruit taste sweet.
    http://sugarscience.ucsf.edu/the-toxic-truth/

    Go Fruitarian vegan and die

  48. MYTHS OF MEAT EATERS EXPOSED. Jahina Malik is vegan from birth n a female body builder TOP performer. FACT. If done right ,good. And AGAIN, the Italy judge is eating Mcdonalds today n not following the TRADITIONAL Italy diet., That's why theyre NOW getting fat but not before.

  49. 5:46 the choices aren't entirely hers are they you idiot?! Your not giving her any other choice!!

    You will teach her about health and animals? What so eating animals is bad for you?!

    That's why they call it a balanced diet! Not a vegan diet!

    And yes it is a restricted diet, because if it wasn't you wouldn't need supplements!!!!

  50. Why do people think you dont get enough calories on a vegan diet, oh if only! There is soooo much to eat that you tend to over eat if anything!

  51. A human ego identity campaign masquerading as an animal welfare one with horrific consequences for cows takes fake news and phoney high horse to another level.

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